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Message: <blockquote data-quote="James" data-source="post: 313" data-attributes="member: 2">Each statement or technique should stand on it's own merit. If you do "call to authority", again that is another fallacy:[URL unfurl="true"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority[/URL]Please read carefully.Truth can be worked out via three main ways: direct perception, logical inference and valid testimonies.Valid testimonies from possible divine scripture or accomplished authority is considered the weakest of the three main ways. Ideally all three should be used to support each other.A truthful and provable idea is its own authority. So point after point should be tested rather than relying on apparent authorities.For example if the head maths teacher with many certificates tells you that 7x7=50 do you automatically believe?It is better for you to work out the sum yourself if possible and come to the answer: 7x7=49. This can be tested again and again with 7 lots of 7 rocks if necessary and then count them up. So the correct provable sum is its own authority.Now lets look at your test:"if you still don,t believe on me then chant any other name for 5 Min's and chant this holy name for 5 Min's and you will see effect. i promise you it works And chanting at least 16 rounds ( each round of 108 beads ) of the Hare Krishna maha-mantra daily."Actually I have seen this tactic before. A certain group to win converts asks the person to pray over their book. If they feel a sense of peace then they say it is proof that their book is true.Actually it can be a placebo effect. It can be random, it can be hypnosis, it can be general effect of prayer, it can be tuning into the mass thoughtform etc.OK, so let us look at your claim: if someone chants your mantra then there will be a powerful effect compared to any other mantra.I have chanted the Krishna mantra before and also other mantras such as Gayatri mantra, om and 'om mani padme hum' mantra plus others.In my experience the other mantras which I mentioned had a more powerful effect than the Krishna mantra. So your statement/promise has failed.What about people who have chanted the Krishna mantra for years? I have seen many people say that they have wasted 10 years of their life and have now left the organization. Why?Here is my old short article on mantra:<a href="https://www.virtuescience.com/mantra.html" target="_blank">https://www.virtuescience.com/mantra.html</a>Now you say that you call a spade a spade. Is that accurate? You call other spiritual teachers as "whores". Your word is related to getting money for carnal services.OK, the Buddha was a prince with so much wealth and gave it all up in the noble search for truth. So in that case you have not been accurate have you? Quite the opposite.Many spiritual paths give good results for the sincere seeker. Have you really studied those other paths or just been told that they are inferior? How do you relate them to your negative word? How are you calling a spade a spade?So what about your organization? Did they not used to walk the streets offering their books and then hoping for money for them or later donations? Is that not closer to your word? So some would imply that you are psychologically projecting <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite24" alt=":unsure:" title="Unsure    :unsure:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":unsure:" /> Now you are a preacher? What is the aim of preaching? If you had come here friendly to everyone and shared all the positive things about your path, patiently answering any questions then maybe passing visitors would be impressed and follow you. Why not share your personal history and all the benefits that you have received from your chanting?Instead you may have put off people that may have originally been interested in your movement. Do you see that?As I have said: I see your positive motives but how many will not see past your rude manner? I have also suggested your more hidden motive.. you may be dissatisfied with your path but fear being disloyal. So you preach in the secret hope that someone will free you from your belief cage. Let us see your response, I will read it carefully.[ATTACH=full]58[/ATTACH]</blockquote>